Curse

Paul Dawg · Aug 21, 2008, 07:45 AM // 07:45

There's a discussion in the War forum right now about [quivering blade] and [skull crack]. I still wouldn't use either one, but do you really mean to say that mass-daze is not a valuable condition? Let's see, just for the sake of argument...I get to the enemy's backline, I [skull crack] a caster, immediately interrupting him and dazing him for ten seconds, then I [epidemic] him and the entire backline is dazed for the rest of the ten seconds. That's worthless? Yeah, I know that rangers have [broad head arrow]. Sometimes you don't have a ranger.

Wars cause crippling, too. Wars cause weakness with all kinds of different skills. (And yes, I know that necros have [enfeebling blood].) Wars can even cause blindness, if they're determined to use a slot for it, with [belly smash].

I'd say that's a lot of different conditions already. Look, I'm satisfied with my d-slash build and I'm not necessarily RECOMMENDING this. But I wouldn't say that the idea is completely unworthy of consideration. On a team with a whole bunch of [discord] necros, a war who spreads conditions might be a pretty valuable thing.

**Marty Silverblade** · Aug 21, 2008, 08:14 AM // 08:14

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Originally Posted by Paul Dawg

There's a discussion in the War forum right now about [quivering blade] and [skull crack]. I still wouldn't use either one, but do you really mean to say that mass-daze is not a valuable condition?

Who said that? Wasn't me. It's just that BHA >>> Skull Crack. Besides, you said it yourself, you wouldn't run either of those two daze skills.

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Let's see, just for the sake of argument...I get to the enemy's backline, I [skull crack] a caster, immediately interrupting him and dazing him for ten seconds, then I [epidemic] him and the entire backline is dazed for the rest of the ten seconds. That's worthless? Yeah, I know that rangers have [broad head arrow]. Sometimes you don't have a ranger.

Once again, I never said daze was crap. Btw, not having access to a profession has NOTHING to do with how good a skill is. If you're not standing behind Skull Crack, you promoting is doesn't mean much. Remember than Skull Crack means no DSlash, that's a definate downside.

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Wars cause crippling, too. Wars can cause blindness with [belly smash]. Wars cause weakness with all kinds of different skills. (And yes, I know that necros have [enfeebling blood].)

Alright, cripple is good but I wouldn't feel the need to take [[Epidemic] over a conjure or something. Tbh I don't see where I'd want [[Belly Smash]. I'd rather just kill something, or in the case that I have a whole bunch of physicals bashing me, I shouldn't need it (Also, SY and prots are good, as well as blind from other professions.) Weakness, as previously stated by whoever it was, is fine, I never said it wasn't, just that people usually get their weakness from a caster with [[Enfeebling Blood] rather than having the Warrior do it.

GourangaPizza · Aug 21, 2008, 08:33 AM // 08:33

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Originally Posted by Marty Silverblade

Huh? He's right. What other conditions should be thrown around that you should do by yourself? Bleeding is meh, Daze and Poison come from Rangers, Disease (if you wanted it) comes from Necros, and Weakness comes from [[Enfeebling Blood], though there's always [["You are all weaklings!"]. Warriors are good at deep wounding, but even then you wouldn't spam them in an AoE fashion.

PS: Barbs and Necrosis? Good skills for a Necromancer does not mean thay are good for a Warrior.

Cripple from "You Move Like A Dwarf" is always good to stop those annoying casters from kiting you.

And a Discord necro can spread conditions pretty well by themselves without warriors' help. Anyway conditions spreading is pretty much useless in PvE since things die fast under concentrated fire unless you're farming (which you'll still lose out to trappers).

Paul Dawg · Aug 21, 2008, 09:22 AM // 09:22

But if you don't have access to it, then it doesn't matter how great it is. That's the whole reason why it's advisable to try all kinds of different ideas and approaches. No single build is workable in every area of the game. (Not even d-slash.)

Skull crack certainly has its uses. Suppose you want to vanquish Majesty's Rest. I highly recommend bringing a repeatable source of daze. In fact, that's pretty much the only way you're going to succeed. Well, the ranger henchmen there don't have BHA. So if you want BHA, you either have to have a friend who's a ranger or bring a BHA hero. And that's not always the best idea. The way I vanqed Majesty's Rest, with ordinary heroes and henchmen, was by keeping Rotscale constantly dazed with [skull crack] and [plague touch]. (And yes, I'm aware that I'm talking about W/N now and not W/Me.) My d-slasher would not have done nearly as well in that particular area.

Anyway...I am hardly going to tout W/Me, but that doesn't mean it's a waste to consider the possibilities. Too many players as it is just skim through someone else's guide and copycat whatever prefab builds they see, instead of trying to figure out for themselves what combinations will work and why. When your guide says W/Me doesn't work in PvE, over and out, that tells people to stop thinking instead of to start thinking.

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Originally Posted by Marty Silverblade

Btw, not having access to a profession has NOTHING to do with how good a skill is. If you're not standing behind Skull Crack, you promoting is doesn't mean much. Remember than Skull Crack means no DSlash, that's a definate downside.

Cebe · Aug 21, 2008, 09:58 AM // 09:58

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Originally Posted by Paul Dawg

Skull crack certainly has its uses. Suppose you want to vanquish Majesty's Rest. I highly recommend bringing a repeatable source of daze. In fact, that's pretty much the only way you're going to succeed. Well, the ranger henchmen there don't have BHA. So if you want BHA, you either have to have a friend who's a ranger or bring a BHA hero. And that's not always the best idea. The way I vanqed Majesty's Rest, with ordinary heroes and henchmen, was by keeping Rotscale constantly dazed with [skull crack] and [plague touch]. (And yes, I'm aware that I'm talking about W/N now and not W/Me.) My d-slasher would not have done nearly as well in that particular area

There are always niche situations where certain skills become useful.